A thing.

[Chiharu]

Now I know a bunch of keyboard warriors are about to come to the defense and I'm wholeheartedly ready this time. Past time I started my opinion, there was a whole clownfiesta. This time, trust, I'm ready.

My friend have something to say, he didn't want to deal with saying it, so I'll be saying it instead. I'd rather this get taken care of then to once again watch things go downhill 

The Gacha Rotation and their words on what they wouldn't do: If you recall, when Loli Tiamat and Ria first came to Code Closers, the staff blatantly said they wouldn't release Raids with Loli Tiamat and Ria. As well as Ria's Particular Gachas she is in.

- Except that aside, when the raid itself came that caused a massive credit sink to happen to alot of folks, they threw new gachas in that further drained our resources of trying to catch up. Then to follow it up with recently release Vinaida Fox, after just releasing Eternal Black Rose (Ria additional). What happened to not overwhelming folks by doing something like this? 
- This was one of the worst case scenarios that I had expected to happen, when I couldn't even help avoid Over-pricers going ham. (Ria's Prices are spiked again..Not pleased with that at all.)

Content Changes or lack thereof by removal of what Official has:

No Type Wargames. Yes, good changes with this one BUT again, folks were already playing catch up with DK/+30'ing the new gear, etc as is. Now with this change, causing yet another wave of unpreparedness to take place and forcing folks to depend on having certain 5 star pets in order to bring out further damage as is. Good and Bad. 

-I've seen those scores and it is putting our TOP TCP Rankers to shame that I've seen low rankers/no rankers scoring nearly as high (if not higher) than some rankers. Makes me question who really knows their agent/who is better planned for these changes.

Code Closers is a private server, the 1st (and only) international one. Our custom rates fall off relatively faster nowadays to begin with. And our custom content, although some bring some goodness to the table, it is still beginning to go stale. The point of a private server (outside of accessibility) is what makes it UNIQUE to keep folks around. And C:C as of late has begun to lose more than gain at this point.

-The removal of SP and following strictly (with SOME changes) to it. Sure, I can understand in a sense, but shouldn't there be a way you'd actually be able to distance from that strict following (with your slight changes)? I get it, hell I'm used to why we have the SP how we do. Just pointing out one of many on how we've become more Official than Official has.

-The changes to not doing jump "events" more often due to "abuse" etc etc. Listen that's bound to happen regardless, jump event or not, folks can just alt acc hop to +30 their shit, etc. You're just stopping an instant "abuse" versus and overall "fix" to said abuse. Already doing enough on one agent as is to do content the best way (with my limited time as it is at that) and the jumps ain't hurting the server. This "change" is meh. 

-World for instance used to be behind us in many ways and that was one of the many reasons I stayed in C:C to begin with. But this bits saving amount and these slight customs aren't exactly bringing home the bacon now. The direction of C:C has been changing to a point I don't even think the staff knows where it wants it to go.

-We still have rampant ToS breakers, we are getting all treated to lack of things due to said ToS Breakers, these credit sinks ain't helping anyone but the RMT'ers out the most even more now. 

I don't get at this point besides the small bits of custom that we get and like I said some money savings with bits, that really help C:C stick out at this point. Strictly speaking if one had that same resources and used it on World, they'd be able to enjoy it far more than we currently would in C:C and that's saying alot.

The sheer amount of mis-information and the bloated egos of said spreaders is out of hand. And be it staff or others, it's relatively easy to pick and point out where it is and why. Ranking isn't just about who have the "BiS" and so forth. With that should come REAL INFORMATION so that others can grow alongside and shine as the agent they prefer and not following these twisted "metas" and fuckery of information that ain't doing any good.

 

Sure, I could have included their "shadow" patches (due to testing shit that wouldn't be like it is, if it weren't shadow patched) or the blatant removal of useful information. Instead of addressing the possible fixes. Telling folks to swarm the damn general chat (usually causing said convo to get swamped out) or forums (which most don't use outside of: just to get into the Discord Server) most folks don't read to begin with.

 

I've answered the same damn question about Xigncode roughly 8 times in a week (within 2 days) and it constantly being removed. Now imma let folks swim on their own with that. Cause keeping trash in the chat but removal of that vital info...what are ya'll thinking?

 

The C:C Discord and the channels are all a mess. Let's be honest. Most folks use whatever channel to ask whatever, and it's just a cesspool. Combing thru so much ick, to find the diamonds is a pain in the arse. Our FOs are slacking (aside from Like FO Lin, probs to them on what they are doing, compared to others.

 

-I've seen more mis-information FROM our FOs than actual every day agents in the community. Daring to "go against" that information leads to unnecessary fights due to egos not needing to be there. The fact I can and HAVE came up with information with testing it under my belt, compared to our FOs is VERY telling.

 

This sneaky way of things just ain't sitting right. I'm not saying EVERY staff is horrid, but it's known to even new players that the "math ain't mathing" and coming to certain agents DMs for the real details and such without EGOs flying around is damn sad.

 

 

Unfortunately, I also have some things I want to say as well. Yes, even me.

 

There are people going to the World server, the same server that we've clowned for their tunes, their ideals and so forth because of how the server's being handled. I know someone ignorant who didn't read and just skimmed through to say something ignorant will say "Then just go to world kekw".

 

Yeah, I'm ready for that. We gotta have this conversation because how do you expect the server to get better if we don't have the conversations that need to be had. The cycle will never end. Nothing will ever get better. The conversations need to be had. A lot of us are adults. No more running, we gotta sit down and have these conversations. 

 

Alright. 

 

I've noticed that ever since my friend Curious and I came to forums and started speaking about stuff, things have been changing. I've noticed improvement. I've been watching more than anyone. I've been watching how the RMT'ers are being handled. One that got a slap on the wrist because they didn't have enough evidence still upsets me but it is what it is. This is not to cause drama, this is to say that I've been watching. No need to panic. I honestly feel like you should've just banned them instead. I get that you need a lot of evidence, but I feel like you should've just banned them instead. I feel others feel the same way too. 

 

Now the discord, as someone who personally got called a racial slur and the person wasn't banned despite it being in the rules, as well as I know a friend that got called a homophobic slur and nothing was done to the other person, and literally searching the chat history to see how many people used the same slur that I was called, I didn't want to be the one to say this, but I would like it if you guys could tighten up on enforcing the rules. A lot of people have lost faith in the staff in the discord because you guys don't enforce the rules. I've even noticed favoritism. The atmosphere of the server is so toxic and full of brain rot that when you walk in the server, you see nothing but spamming of emotes, spamming of gifs, someone making the environment less favorable to talk in and so forth. 

 

And this is coming from someone who's gotten scolded multiple times for me having to stand my ground. I get you don't want drama and telling people to ignore and block each other goes a long way. I know we had the conversation of pinging so I know to ping when I don't feel like clapping back at someone who continuously tries me whenever they can. The question is "Will it do anything"?

 

Some of us understand if you guys need to be unbiased. It's literally apart of your job. You have to keep it professional, so I understand. I don't know about the rest of the staff, so I can't speak for everyone on there. But trust, I understand.

 

The misinformation.

I have something to add as well, because this was half of the reason I made an uproar in the discord server when we used to have character channels. Misinformation, trolling, Misguiding. I only JUST learned what True Damage actually is. The guide in the game don't cover everything and sometimes, people don't understand things, so they have no choice but to ask another player and a lot of the answers, and I've seen this ALL OVER THE PLACE. EVEN ON YOUTUBE. Our very own public discord server. Brain-rotted answers. Ego-filled answers. This is a good way to develop distrust and miscommunication, so I agree with my friend. I don't answer all the time or talk all the time because I have my own dailies and grinds to do but I lurk very often. Even the prices, for the longest, people took the answers of people who usually overprice stuff and then THEIR stuff don't sell, tell a newer person the same price, then they follow and that's another way how prices were so bad that even those same people who told the newer people prices, the rmt'ers, the whales, EVERYONE, EVERYONE was crying about prices.

 

Yeah, uh, question, remember how we all worked together to come up with a somewhat solution to the pgc trading? Can we do it again for the prices too? Because if we don't work together to ensure a crisis like that don't happen again, then it WILL happen again. I get others want to see the world burn but not everyone does. Stop. No, really, stop. We need to work together. 

 

So, yeah. I'm ready to get clowned.

 

I'm ready for most people to miss my point entirely, only to show that they don't read and get in their feelings again.

Aaaannnddd..... I'm ready for everything I have a feeling that's going to be said and happen to happen.

"What is it?"

 

*Shrugs* I just pray that people read and know that I'm not trying to fight nobody, I'm not trying to insult nobody, I'm literally just being honest. I'm not trying to please nobody, I just care about the server, I care about what happens to it, I care about how the server is, I care about people being able to play the server and be happy. That is it. That is literally it. That is all. That is all I care about. It's why I stay on this server. I stay because I love playing the server. I've said it a bunch of times. Everyone and their mother should know by now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 30 by Chiharu

[Icarus]

It's quite late here and I'm a bit out of it, so apologies if this is short or confusing. I just felt the need to answer a few things you've mentioned, mainly the Discord since it is my job to moderate it, but some other sections I've got expertise in as well. If I skip some parts it is not because I am ignoring them-- I just don't have enough knowledge on the matter to speak on it currently.

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-We still have rampant ToS breakers, we are getting all treated to lack of things due to said ToS Breakers, these credit sinks ain't helping anyone but the RMT'ers out the most even more now. 

If you find rulebreakers, please report them in the Rulebreakers section. Every single thread as of right now has been dealt with according to our rules and I am constantly looking over it + Ban Appeals + Account Support. We can't act with no evidence.

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I've answered the same damn question about Xigncode roughly 8 times in a week (within 2 days) and it constantly being removed. Now imma let folks swim on their own with that. Cause keeping trash in the chat but removal of that vital info...what are ya'll thinking?

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The C:C Discord and the channels are all a mess. Let's be honest. Most folks use whatever channel to ask whatever, and it's just a cesspool. Combing thru so much ick, to find the diamonds is a pain in the arse. Our FOs are slacking (aside from Like FO Lin, probs to them on what they are doing, compared to others.

Don't know who this friend is, but if you're talking about the cc-questions channel, I've pruned 3 conversations regarding Xigncode. They were all answered well before I did, and there are multiple threads with solutions. Plus, if someone asks for help we are always there to offer a hand when it comes to general support issues. It is our job. I'm not sure where they're getting the "keeping trash but removal of vital info" from. If they were talking again about cc-questions, I do prune specific messages that do not belong in that channel. When doing so, I make sure to ping the user, screenshot the question + answer and then guide them to the correct channel. I don't prune messages in other channels unless they are severe (phishing links, nsfw, etc).

You can use the Ctrl+F / Search option on Discord to find keywords that match what you want to find, and I make sure to guide people to the correct channels as much as I can, so I'm unsure what they mean by the channels being a mess. This is a vague statement that needs clarification. As does the "FOs are slacking" comment. In what way? Please clarify, as this is a damaging statement made with no explanation.

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-I've seen more mis-information FROM our FOs than actual every day agents in the community. Daring to "go against" that information leads to unnecessary fights due to egos not needing to be there. The fact I can and HAVE came up with information with testing it under my belt, compared to our FOs is VERY telling.

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This sneaky way of things just ain't sitting right. I'm not saying EVERY staff is horrid, but it's known to even new players that the "math ain't mathing" and coming to certain agents DMs for the real details and such without EGOs flying around is damn sad.

More sections that require clarification.

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I've been watching more than anyone. I've been watching how the RMT'ers are being handled. One that got a slap on the wrist because they didn't have enough evidence still upsets me but it is what it is. This is not to cause drama, this is to say that I've been watching. No need to panic. I honestly feel like you should've just banned them instead. I get that you need a lot of evidence, but I feel like you should've just banned them instead. I feel others feel the same way too. 

You are free to clarify which rulebreakers you mean since I am unsure who you are referring to, but from my perspective (as I do actually manage Rulebreaker reports on forums) rulebreakers have been dealt with in accordance to our rules. You are not getting the full picture at all because we literally cannot show it, but know that rulebreakers do get handled properly. If you have evidence someone is breaking our rules, please report it with as much evidence as possible and we will do a thorough check.

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Now the discord, as someone who personally got called a racial slur and the person wasn't banned despite it being in the rules, as well as I know a friend that got called a homophobic slur and nothing was done to the other person, and literally searching the chat history to see how many people used the same slur that I was called, I didn't want to be the one to say this, but I would like it if you guys could tighten up on enforcing the rules. A lot of people have lost faith in the staff in the discord because you guys don't enforce the rules. I've even noticed favoritism. The atmosphere of the server is so toxic and full of brain rot that when you walk in the server, you see nothing but spamming of emotes, spamming of gifs, someone making the environment less favorable to talk in and so forth. 

If you have seen someone break our Discord rules you are more than welcome to report it with evidence. I have my private messages on Discord closed, however they are still open on the forums. I'd need more clarification on these things (rulebreaking, favoritism, etc) so I can look into it, but I am just one person in the end. There are some things I miss.

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And this is coming from someone who's gotten scolded multiple times for me having to stand my ground. I get you don't want drama and telling people to ignore and block each other goes a long way. I know we had the conversation of pinging so I know to ping when I don't feel like clapping back at someone who continuously tries me whenever they can. The question is "Will it do anything"?

You have been warned in accordance to the rules just like everyone else has. If you need something looked through regarding a rulebreaker, send me a message on here.

[Miia]

I agree with some of the points raised - specifically things like the gachas with EBR and VF being back to back (this can easily be changed by simply not having big gachas back to back - it's also considered a reroll though so I'd give this example a pass). This with the gachas has happened before in the past as well - so I feel like this point is more of a personal issue on the player now that it's been reported. As for the events, they do feel a bit repetative and needs something to be a bit more unique - then again, we already have special benefits compared to the officials. It's more of having more unique events. As for the other points, I think certain issues are best handled directly. If something needs to be reported, the simplest approach would be to take a screenshot of what happened and pass it along to the staff to manage.

On the point of war games, I think it's just inevitible to have situations where new equipment releases and the other players do less numbers. That's just the players the decision and realistically, nothing can be done about it but just catch up to the other player.

Also, I don’t think it’s helpful to bring up anything about FOs’ egos. Instead, I’d just suggest letting everyone interpret information in their own way rather than calling it “misinformation.” People naturally have different perspectives and take things in differently. For instance, with the recent core updates, I chose Lantern for Levia because that felt right for me, even though others suggested otherwise. That decision came down to my own reasoning and what I felt worked best.

 

Edited October 30 by Miia

[JayJoestar]

Alrad reporting in. First off, I am that friend in question. And I was trying my hardest not to have to actually have to come forward but at this point in time, I feel it is better if I did.

People in general in our community, don't follow Channel Topics/Rules to begin with. Blatant spamming of things off topic in them and so forth. I've answered several people (as stated in this forum post) about the exact same issue, having them have the exact same outcome (That our forums by the way don't even address in a way they'd understand nor find). I understand that isn't the channel for it, however at the same time, off topics are everywhere and seeing as cc-questions doesn't get swamped ahh, it was better to address it there for ALL to see. No, I don't need nor want to have DMs with random folks, addressing it over and over again. That's quite pointless on my end, when the information was clear to see in the channel it was used in.

There have been numerous times with the FO staff (again I shouldn't have to blatantly list whom they are), we all know who our FOs are. What they do (or lack thereof) and so forth. And seeing as I main certain agents I've seen talked about and witnessed quite the bit of mis-information being puked out over and over again. Or not fully addressed is concerning. As well as at times when questioned on "why to do this over that" and vice versa, egos will flair at times and get the topic at hand to spiral out of hand. I have seen messages erased when they were disproven and shown actual tastings and why one would use x, y, z in content and how to switch it up. (Meanwhile some trolling going on, while serious conversations are trying to be had.)

The rulebreakers thing is more so what folks have seen and have taken notice of but of course not using the Rulebreakers thread to re-report them (Case in point, not everyone wants to use forums, nor have to do what myself and Chi are doing now. Trying to have a conversation and not just finger pointing.) But if I have to, I will point out one, if I am pressed to actually have to NAME one of them. (Cause clearly that report didn't finalize and was lifted with some unknown reasonings)

Again, if folks couldn't even follow the Channel Rules/Topics nor read #announcements and so forth, you can't sit there and tell me they could just (list shortcuts and ways to find the answer to the SAME asked question here) and expect that to be the answer to ALL. Not only that with said rules and such, it's harder to get a grasp on things or assist (safety etc, I get. Other things ehh...)

I've been a part of this community since Day 1 of C:C (Don't let this account fool you. I just tend to forget info and not bother with recovering it.) and the direction I have watched it glow then dim then damn near die out, to burst to calmly licking wounds, to very obvious mis-direction of ACTUAL concerns that have been stated by fellow Community Members (Considering I also can see differences in how things are going in and out of C:C to begin with)

The audacity for which the content that was released and the follow up with it with the gachas, the lack of concern from folks who generally try to pull to help not only themselves (me) but the community with AFFORDABLE costume costs and so forth...for that to keep being set ablaze is legit unreal. I understand the need for time and all that. Don't twist my words. (Not saying you will, just pointing out thoughts.)

The sheer number of bug reports (be they little in folks eyes or not) and the rush of the content released that then somehow overshadowed a fine tooth combing to ensure said bugs could have been caught instead of releasing it (I'm all for waiting til things are IRONED out much better than this.) I did two forum posts (sept 23rd) and as of recently (oct 28th). because that's how much I CARE about finding stuff that would be missed over over sighted.

The fact the staff at this point knows of individuals and what it causing some of the craziness with the Market and so forth and instead of enforcing what they should (Reasons Reasons, I'm just an agent I'm not staff so I won't get too much into that cesspool) need to be done.

Ya'll gonna hate I had to say it like this and miss all the points I'm trying to make, that are there in plain sight. But I just can't hold back, cause there is no disrespect here. This is a conversation that needs to happen and I am here for it.

[Miia]

4 minutes ago, JayJoestar said:

People in general in our community, don't follow Channel Topics/Rules to begin with. Blatant spamming of things off topic in them and so forth. I've answered several people (as stated in this forum post) about the exact same issue, having them have the exact same outcome (That our forums by the way don't even address in a way they'd understand nor find). I understand that isn't the channel for it, however at the same time, off topics are everywhere and seeing as cc-questions doesn't get swamped ahh, it was better to address it there for ALL to see.

I think it would be simpler to post this directly in the Discord suggestions channel, where the staff can see it easily. Posting all these frustrations in a big thread alongside unrelated issues doesn’t seem productive, especially when the suggestions channel is rarely used and staff can easily spot new posts there. If these suggestions had already been made and not addressed, I’d understand the need to escalate. But since that’s not the case, this feels like it’s putting a lot of pressure on the staff and could have been managed directly through Discord.

[Chiharu]

I posted this in the right place. I'm addressing everyone. As a whole. We're in the right place. I'm not letting you guys run away from problems that should be bought up.

This time, I refuse to let you do so.

We have to communicate. Not just with the staff, but work together as players too.

Read the whole post. You know there's a problem at hand and I refuse to let you run away from it.

Edited October 30 by Chiharu

[Miia]

2 hours ago, Chiharu said:

Yeah, uh, question, remember how we all worked together to come up with a somewhat solution to the pgc trading? Can we do it again for the prices too? Because if we don't work together to ensure a crisis like that don't happen again, then it WILL happen again. I get others want to see the world burn but not everyone does. Stop. No, really, stop. We need to work together. 

I believe this is more of an individual player issue - just two people could significantly alter the market price. I haven't noticed any extreme prices lately - as for the pgc prices that's something that is gonna be difficult to do. More than 1 person has to sell low at the same time so people can catch on.

Edited October 30 by Miia

[Chiharu]

12 minutes ago, Miia said:

I believe this is more of an individual player issue - just two people could significantly alter the market price. I haven't noticed any extreme prices lately - as for the pgc prices that's something that is gonna be difficult to do. More than 1 person has to sell low at the same time so people can catch on.

I would explain this to you, but considering our history of fighting for years. I won't. We'll just end up fighting again and I don't want to. I'm really tired of fighting you. I just want peace. 

 

I'm just going to round it up and say that I'm asking for unity and for everyone to continue to work together. That is all. 

Also Icarus, I read your post. Alright. I'll keep that in mind.

 

 

[Miia]

7 minutes ago, Chiharu said:

I would explain this to you, but considering our history of fighting for years. I won't. We'll just end up fighting again and I don't want to. I'm really tired of fighting you. I just want peace. 

 

I'm just going to round it up and say that I'm asking for unity and for everyone to continue to work together. That is all. 

Also Icarus, I read your post. Alright. I'll keep that in mind.

 

 

I'm simply talking about the topic at hand. I'm not arguing, you cannot expect everyone to agree with you.

"The pgc prices that's something that is gonna be difficult to do. More than 1 person has to sell low at the same time so people can catch on."

[Chiharu]

17 minutes ago, Miia said:

I'm simply talking about the topic at hand. I'm not arguing, you cannot expect everyone to agree with you.

"The pgc prices that's something that is gonna be difficult to do. More than 1 person has to sell low at the same time so people can catch on."

Calm down, I know you're still worked up from cc general today.

I know everyone won't agree with me. 

And I read your reply. Go take a deep breath and settle down.

 

[Miia]

2 minutes ago, Chiharu said:

Calm down, I know you're still worked up from cc general today.

I know everyone won't agree with me. 

And I read your reply. Go take a deep breath and settle down.

 

What I shared was a way to address the situation, not a direct disagreement with the original post on that specific topic. I’m okay - I think there might have been a misreading of my post. It’s simply a solution to the issue of high prices with code bits.

[Chiharu]

5 minutes ago, Miia said:

What I shared was a way to address the situation, not a direct disagreement with the original post on that specific topic. I’m okay - I think there might have been a misreading of my post. It’s simply a solution to the issue of high prices with code bits.

You good.

[Pouty]

4 hours ago, Chiharu said:

The Gacha Rotation and their words on what they wouldn't do: If you recall, when Loli Tiamat and Ria first came to Code Closers, the staff blatantly said they wouldn't release Raids with Loli Tiamat and Ria. As well as Ria's Particular Gachas she is in.

I think they literally just meant they wont be released together in the same patch, which they weren't so there was no lie.

4 hours ago, Chiharu said:

- Except that aside, when the raid itself came that caused a massive credit sink to happen to alot of folks, they threw new gachas in that further drained our resources of trying to catch up. Then to follow it up with recently release Vinaida Fox, after just releasing Eternal Black Rose (Ria additional). What happened to not overwhelming folks by doing something like this? 
- This was one of the worst case scenarios that I had expected to happen, when I couldn't even help avoid Over-pricers going ham. (Ria's Prices are spiked again..Not pleased with that at all.)

While I see that it's bad that things are massive credit sinks they're somewhere needed considering the mass amount of credits leftovers in parts of the community, while its also bad for the rest for the community it doesn't mean that the new content is impossible or anything to obtain. I think most people struggle with +30 (which isn't needed at all to be strong) and that's part of the game that should be a struggle, meanwhile getting the gear done (red core or mods) Isn't really a struggle some people rush it with tsp or swiping and others don't it doesn't have a huge impact really.
 

4 hours ago, Chiharu said:

No Type Wargames. Yes, good changes with this one BUT again, folks were already playing catch up with DK/+30'ing the new gear, etc as is. Now with this change, causing yet another wave of unpreparedness to take place and forcing folks to depend on having certain 5 star pets in order to bring out further damage as is. Good and Bad. 

-I've seen those scores and it is putting our TOP TCP Rankers to shame that I've seen low rankers/no rankers scoring nearly as high (if not higher) than some rankers. Makes me question who really knows their agent/who is better planned for these changes.

Nobody is more forced to 5 star any pet than they were before, while it was "the best" option to gain a higher score or be stronger it's never really needed. Same with the new no damage type war game its not at all required to 5 star any of the new pets to get more damage unless you want to. 
I believe everyone is allowed to play the way they want to and if its not wanting to perfect their gameplay but just have fun then that's just it, while some people love gearing and being good at their character others just want to gear to feel that achievement and maybe just not have the time to perfect their skills. It doesn't show a flaw with the new Wargame or the gearing system but rather the skill differences/preferred gaming differences by people.
 

4 hours ago, Chiharu said:

Code Closers is a private server, the 1st (and only) international one. Our custom rates fall off relatively faster nowadays to begin with. And our custom content, although some bring some goodness to the table, it is still beginning to go stale. The point of a private server (outside of accessibility) is what makes it UNIQUE to keep folks around. And C:C as of late has begun to lose more than gain at this point.

Which custom rates are you talking about, and how would you know they're falling off if you don't know the numbers considering everything that has a rate is affected by RNG so its all just luck in the end. While Custom Content is great and amazing its also harder for such a small team that we have to pump out new Custom Content all the time while also updating their server, fixing the entire game to keep up with already existing custom mechanics and sometimes having to fix massive parts of the game such as the Black Market with certain updates just takes time and resources away from that. 
 

4 hours ago, Chiharu said:

-The removal of SP and following strictly (with SOME changes) to it. Sure, I can understand in a sense, but shouldn't there be a way you'd actually be able to distance from that strict following (with your slight changes)? I get it, hell I'm used to why we have the SP how we do. Just pointing out one of many on how we've become more Official than Official has.

I believe Harpy has stated at least once that the removal of SP had to be followed because despite them being able to add some SP going back to the ways we had SP would literally be impossible since it breaks the game. If they can find a workaround for this it'd be great but also its not a huge necessity since barely anything about the game has changed and in my opinion its just a point people love to get stuck on.
 

4 hours ago, Chiharu said:

-World for instance used to be behind us in many ways and that was one of the many reasons I stayed in C:C to begin with. But this bits saving amount and these slight customs aren't exactly bringing home the bacon now. The direction of C:C has been changing to a point I don't even think the staff knows where it wants it to go.

While I agree that it was always a great benefit that we were ahead of the International Server, a smaller team like CC is simply unable to be ahead of the actual publisher of the game. They changed their publishing teams from EnMasse to Naddic itself and since then they're basically up to date with Korea simply a few weeks behind, similar to other games such as Elsword. Before it used to be an appeal but to me personally it doesn't really matter since simply existing and getting to the point where I am in the game wouldn't be possible in International by spending as little money as I have. 
 

4 hours ago, Chiharu said:

-We still have rampant ToS breakers, we are getting all treated to lack of things due to said ToS Breakers, these credit sinks ain't helping anyone but the RMT'ers out the most even more now. 

I don't get at this point besides the small bits of custom that we get and like I said some money savings with bits, that really help C:C stick out at this point. Strictly speaking if one had that same resources and used it on World, they'd be able to enjoy it far more than we currently would in C:C and that's saying alot.

While it may not be far in the progress of dealing with people that RMT (which have reduced quite a bit) its hard to truly get rid of them without getting rid of the ability to spend money. If there's ways that we think we can improve the situation and we can suggest it we definitely should and hopefully get to a conclusion that benefits everyone that doesn't break the rules.
If you have the same resources and used it on World you'd maybe be half of the way compared to what you would be in C:C, while World Server isn't a torture hell its definitely far more favorable towards people that spend real money. We get far more materials for free but to a degree that doesn't make the entire gearing progress obsolete. 
 

4 hours ago, Chiharu said:

The sheer amount of mis-information and the bloated egos of said spreaders is out of hand. And be it staff or others, it's relatively easy to pick and point out where it is and why. Ranking isn't just about who have the "BiS" and so forth. With that should come REAL INFORMATION so that others can grow alongside and shine as the agent they prefer and not following these twisted "metas" and fuckery of information that ain't doing any good.

I honestly think if you see people explain a character or something wrong, there can be many other reasons other than bloated ego's or thinking you're the smartest some people simply don't know better or weren't taught better and some may even have made errors in their calculations or simply just see things differently, what's holding you back from correcting them if you know the right answer to get rid of said mis-information. If you're worried about said person coming back at you then you can simply ignore them and give your input to the person that was seeking the knowledge. 

4 hours ago, Chiharu said:

-I've seen more mis-information FROM our FOs than actual every day agents in the community. Daring to "go against" that information leads to unnecessary fights due to egos not needing to be there. The fact I can and HAVE came up with information with testing it under my belt, compared to our FOs is VERY telling.

I haven't seen a single FO actively participate in a fight because someone thought things worked differently or tried to correct them, I personally have only seen discussions happening as of why and trying to figure out who's right. FO's aren't always there to test how every aspect of the game works and have all information readily available while it would be basically perfect to have that they can't do everything and they're there to answer questions to their abilities and try to help people have a good time playing the game. You being able to figure out how things in the game work by testing them out doesn't tell anything about our FO's and just simply shows that you had the desire to figure it out and got there which is great. 
 

5 hours ago, Chiharu said:

This sneaky way of things just ain't sitting right. I'm not saying EVERY staff is horrid, but it's known to even new players that the "math ain't mathing" and coming to certain agents DMs for the real details and such without EGOs flying around is damn sad.

Yet snarky remarks of people's credibility and saying that 'not all of them are horrid' isn't helping either and isn't sitting right as well

5 hours ago, Chiharu said:

Now the discord, as someone who personally got called a racial slur and the person wasn't banned despite it being in the rules, as well as I know a friend that got called a homophobic slur and nothing was done to the other person, and literally searching the chat history to see how many people used the same slur that I was called, I didn't want to be the one to say this, but I would like it if you guys could tighten up on enforcing the rules.

With this point I can sadly only agree, despite not knowing what goes on behind the scenes its simply just sad that people can use slurs and not be punished or 'talk their way' out of it.
 

5 hours ago, Chiharu said:

I have something to add as well, because this was half of the reason I made an uproar in the discord server when we used to have character channels. Misinformation, trolling, Misguiding. I only JUST learned what True Damage actually is. The guide in the game don't cover everything and sometimes, people don't understand things, so they have no choice but to ask another player and a lot of the answers, and I've seen this ALL OVER THE PLACE. EVEN ON YOUTUBE. Our very own public discord server. Brain-rotted answers. Ego-filled answers. This is a good way to develop distrust and miscommunication, so I agree with my friend. I don't answer all the time or talk all the time because I have my own dailies and grinds to do but I lurk very often. Even the prices, for the longest, people took the answers of people who usually overprice stuff and then THEIR stuff don't sell, tell a newer person the same price, then they follow and that's another way how prices were so bad that even those same people who told the newer people prices, the rmt'ers, the whales, EVERYONE, EVERYONE was crying about prices.

There's simply no way to police all of this because people are allowed to have their own opinion on everything, which is good because it sparks discourse and can lead to new discoveries in the best scenario. In the perfect scenario we could all just ignore the brainrot, ego or mis-information but sadly we can't and then comes in our own job to sort through all of the information we get and figure out what we can use and what we can't use. If one person tells you its raining and the other tells you the sun is shining its my job to go outside and check for myself. 
 

[Chiharu]

13 minutes ago, Pouty said:

I think they literally just meant they wont be released together in the same patch, which they weren't so there was no lie.

While I see that it's bad that things are massive credit sinks they're somewhere needed considering the mass amount of credits leftovers in parts of the community, while its also bad for the rest for the community it doesn't mean that the new content is impossible or anything to obtain. I think most people struggle with +30 (which isn't needed at all to be strong) and that's part of the game that should be a struggle, meanwhile getting the gear done (red core or mods) Isn't really a struggle some people rush it with tsp or swiping and others don't it doesn't have a huge impact really.
 

Nobody is more forced to 5 star any pet than they were before, while it was "the best" option to gain a higher score or be stronger it's never really needed. Same with the new no damage type war game its not at all required to 5 star any of the new pets to get more damage unless you want to. 
I believe everyone is allowed to play the way they want to and if its not wanting to perfect their gameplay but just have fun then that's just it, while some people love gearing and being good at their character others just want to gear to feel that achievement and maybe just not have the time to perfect their skills. It doesn't show a flaw with the new Wargame or the gearing system but rather the skill differences/preferred gaming differences by people.
 

Which custom rates are you talking about, and how would you know they're falling off if you don't know the numbers considering everything that has a rate is affected by RNG so its all just luck in the end. While Custom Content is great and amazing its also harder for such a small team that we have to pump out new Custom Content all the time while also updating their server, fixing the entire game to keep up with already existing custom mechanics and sometimes having to fix massive parts of the game such as the Black Market with certain updates just takes time and resources away from that. 
 

I believe Harpy has stated at least once that the removal of SP had to be followed because despite them being able to add some SP going back to the ways we had SP would literally be impossible since it breaks the game. If they can find a workaround for this it'd be great but also its not a huge necessity since barely anything about the game has changed and in my opinion its just a point people love to get stuck on.
 

While I agree that it was always a great benefit that we were ahead of the International Server, a smaller team like CC is simply unable to be ahead of the actual publisher of the game. They changed their publishing teams from EnMasse to Naddic itself and since then they're basically up to date with Korea simply a few weeks behind, similar to other games such as Elsword. Before it used to be an appeal but to me personally it doesn't really matter since simply existing and getting to the point where I am in the game wouldn't be possible in International by spending as little money as I have. 
 

While it may not be far in the progress of dealing with people that RMT (which have reduced quite a bit) its hard to truly get rid of them without getting rid of the ability to spend money. If there's ways that we think we can improve the situation and we can suggest it we definitely should and hopefully get to a conclusion that benefits everyone that doesn't break the rules.
If you have the same resources and used it on World you'd maybe be half of the way compared to what you would be in C:C, while World Server isn't a torture hell its definitely far more favorable towards people that spend real money. We get far more materials for free but to a degree that doesn't make the entire gearing progress obsolete. 
 

I honestly think if you see people explain a character or something wrong, there can be many other reasons other than bloated ego's or thinking you're the smartest some people simply don't know better or weren't taught better and some may even have made errors in their calculations or simply just see things differently, what's holding you back from correcting them if you know the right answer to get rid of said mis-information. If you're worried about said person coming back at you then you can simply ignore them and give your input to the person that was seeking the knowledge. 

I haven't seen a single FO actively participate in a fight because someone thought things worked differently or tried to correct them, I personally have only seen discussions happening as of why and trying to figure out who's right. FO's aren't always there to test how every aspect of the game works and have all information readily available while it would be basically perfect to have that they can't do everything and they're there to answer questions to their abilities and try to help people have a good time playing the game. You being able to figure out how things in the game work by testing them out doesn't tell anything about our FO's and just simply shows that you had the desire to figure it out and got there which is great. 
 

Yet snarky remarks of people's credibility and saying that 'not all of them are horrid' isn't helping either and isn't sitting right as well

With this point I can sadly only agree, despite not knowing what goes on behind the scenes its simply just sad that people can use slurs and not be punished or 'talk their way' out of it.
 

There's simply no way to police all of this because people are allowed to have their own opinion on everything, which is good because it sparks discourse and can lead to new discoveries in the best scenario. In the perfect scenario we could all just ignore the brainrot, ego or mis-information but sadly we can't and then comes in our own job to sort through all of the information we get and figure out what we can use and what we can't use. If one person tells you its raining and the other tells you the sun is shining its my job to go outside and check for myself. 
 

Bless you for the critique, I actually enjoyed reading this....like....deadass.... 

The final part about the pricing, that's ok, so I'll take that. I meant about like everyone having different opinions and so forth and not everyone will agree like what Miia mentioned earlier. 

So...Icarus's post, I'll keep that in mind.

I already replied to Miia.

Your input, I'll keep in mind.

 

[ViciouslyOptimistic]

I mean welcome to CC. When Naddic does what CC won't, that's how you know the server's a cash grab.

the Fox group's a joke.

The QoL is a meme. Basically making wargames even more pay to win, by locking the crafts behind leaves that are only gonna be available to the people who have multiple +30s.

Naddic literally came out themselves and made visual slots for credits, CC is still coping about "losing money" cuz they're greedy as fuck and wanna keep milkin the whales and usurp the f2p/p2p population that spend little or just grind.

The server's shit bc its a monopoly and theres no other private server to bust CC's balls.

Your post is just spiraling over the same shit because you have nothing better to say as usual, but everybody still can agree with you that CC needs to get their shit together and stop milking this hard.

They did nothing for months, just to release a shitty summer pass with the event being better than the pass, and then they started printing content and cosmetics like crazy.

the server prob made 15-20k bucks in the last month, and guess what? they're gonna pocket it all and do nothing with that money, that's just CC for ya.


everybody's gonna abuse shit, because the server's aids.

If you're not abusing shit, you're stupid.

no sane person's gonna pay 50 bucks to get a +1. That's a fucking official at that point, even if its cheaper here. Everybody abuses shit, that includes FOs.

when FOs straight up glaze for it and encourage people to do so, and abuse the fuck outta their own privilege and power, thats just how you know its a true wild west.

everything CC does, only hurts the casuals, the F2Ps and P2Ps. It does nothing to the whales, and it's not going to stop the people who wanna grind hella hard and are down to abuse anything. You're just ruining the experience for everybody, and also lose a lotta money by being stubborn and dumb as fuck, because you guys don't wanna listen to people telling you to do the right thing that would make the server better and give people more reason to spend and stay with the server.

your excuse is to play on your own insecurity, and cope about the server losing moeny or some ohter shit. Because all you wanna do is make the bag and grab it while you can.

because doing basic ass shit is too much for this nft scam of a server. Everybody knows that. We're all stuck playing here cuz the official sucks ass and KR is a joke becaues they're racist af and ban people every other month. You know that, we know that. 


I don't care that Chiharu was bored and made another forum post to spiral over some shit, I still agree with it, everybody does.

CC is straight up incompetent and cant do anything without fucking it up. A lotta the times Harpy forgets to mention changes in the patch notes, and you find out about it yourself.

Or harpy says they did it, then you go ingame, its not there and was a blatant lie.

as for the code server, I never talk there because its a shitshow of people with room temp IQ, and the trading channel's a joke too.

idk why we're going off on a tangent about that, considering haru's post is about CC milking too hard and making a shitty QoL, that only benefits the whales with multiple +30s, further fucking over the playerbase that doesnt have those.


"math aint mathing" is true. the people I play with, we have to test everything ourselves and waste our time and resources to do so, because FOs are useless dogs. Imma come out and finally say it without hiding it. FOs suck and you guys needa get rid of them. They're literally useless and make people hate them, unless they're a casual who plays Code 5 hours a month and couldn't care less because they're not tryna get good at the game.

it's exhausting having to do everything yourself, testing it all, figuring it all out, and having next to no resources to do so, because you can't trust the FOs.

If you need testers you can get plenty of volunteers from the cord who'll do it for free. its not rocket science. Make a public branch of the server and do access waves when you need feedback. Theres no point locking shit down to a few guys who're washed af and barely care to log in, mostly to hold top3 TCP, or flex their p2w war game score onto others.


the long story short of what I have to say is if you dont wanna read what Chiharu says because you can't handle it, that's fine.

Maybe she puts it differently when she's talking to you, but I think she does a good job on forums.


what she said is very much true and if you choose to ignore it, you're guilty as charged.

tryna silence people won't do you any good.

CC is a village and while we all play nice in front of everybody else, we all speak our minds behind the closed doors. Its more like Chi bringing the salt and spilling the beans bc she got tired of bottling it up.
 

Idk where this thread's gonna go to. My opinion is the new wargames are a p2w joke and the crafts should be for participation not locked down to the leaves that only whales will have, basically a rich get richer vibe. 

and the gacha groups have been a joke lately, having all popular and most played(mained) characters in the same group all over again.

BP was better this time, but still dogshit. The event's good though.

the lock on the silly Halloween cosmetic crafts is cringe as fuck. Youre literally pitying against people tryna craft silly stupid shit that costs 5 mil, and you put it once an account a day??

your July crafts that you promised to monitor are a meme. I bet not a single person gave a damn to craft 750mil 15 day wot, or 150mil 15 day angel cubes, or the scam box that you still haven't reduced the price of. Also, don't worry, nobody cared to craft the 10mil slot ticket either, because the prices are x10 of what they should be.

and when I literally came to Misago, catching an RMT ring red handed, nothing happened to the rank1 J, and that RMT guy and his friends bc apparently you guys didn't care after all the exhaustive evidence I'd collected and provided over. Thats too much work apparently cuz its much easier to sit on your ass and milk the whales.

I'm possibly sorry for use of harsh language but im tired of wasting my energy to sugarcoat every comment or forum post because you guys are insufferable.

thanks for coming to my ted talk I guess.

 

15 hours ago, Miia said:

I agree with some of the points raised - specifically things like the gachas with EBR and VF being back to back (this can easily be changed by simply not having big gachas back to back - it's also considered a reroll though so I'd give this example a pass). This with the gachas has happened before in the past as well - so I feel like this point is more of a personal issue on the player now that it's been reported. As for the events, they do feel a bit repetative and needs something to be a bit more unique - then again, we already have special benefits compared to the officials. It's more of having more unique events. As for the other points, I think certain issues are best handled directly. If something needs to be reported, the simplest approach would be to take a screenshot of what happened and pass it along to the staff to manage.

On the point of war games, I think it's just inevitible to have situations where new equipment releases and the other players do less numbers. That's just the players the decision and realistically, nothing can be done about it but just catch up to the other player.

Also, I don’t think it’s helpful to bring up anything about FOs’ egos. Instead, I’d just suggest letting everyone interpret information in their own way rather than calling it “misinformation.” People naturally have different perspectives and take things in differently. For instance, with the recent core updates, I chose Lantern for Levia because that felt right for me, even though others suggested otherwise. That decision came down to my own reasoning and what I felt worked best.

 

you're just glazing over shit, admit it. We both know that. as somebody who literally did what you described, but much more, and got nothing outta it, I can tell you youre just keeping up appearances in here. 

people who use lantern and the whip are stupid.

we can have an argument about the whip if you're gonna be spamming astarte on multiple +30s, but you either go staff for alts or chakram on main, or enjoy your zdps on the lantern or lower dps on the whip once your fm5 buff expires.

 

15 hours ago, JayJoestar said:

Alrad reporting in. First off, I am that friend in question. And I was trying my hardest not to have to actually have to come forward but at this point in time, I feel it is better if I did.

People in general in our community, don't follow Channel Topics/Rules to begin with. Blatant spamming of things off topic in them and so forth. I've answered several people (as stated in this forum post) about the exact same issue, having them have the exact same outcome (That our forums by the way don't even address in a way they'd understand nor find). I understand that isn't the channel for it, however at the same time, off topics are everywhere and seeing as cc-questions doesn't get swamped ahh, it was better to address it there for ALL to see. No, I don't need nor want to have DMs with random folks, addressing it over and over again. That's quite pointless on my end, when the information was clear to see in the channel it was used in.

There have been numerous times with the FO staff (again I shouldn't have to blatantly list whom they are), we all know who our FOs are. What they do (or lack thereof) and so forth. And seeing as I main certain agents I've seen talked about and witnessed quite the bit of mis-information being puked out over and over again. Or not fully addressed is concerning. As well as at times when questioned on "why to do this over that" and vice versa, egos will flair at times and get the topic at hand to spiral out of hand. I have seen messages erased when they were disproven and shown actual tastings and why one would use x, y, z in content and how to switch it up. (Meanwhile some trolling going on, while serious conversations are trying to be had.)

The rulebreakers thing is more so what folks have seen and have taken notice of but of course not using the Rulebreakers thread to re-report them (Case in point, not everyone wants to use forums, nor have to do what myself and Chi are doing now. Trying to have a conversation and not just finger pointing.) But if I have to, I will point out one, if I am pressed to actually have to NAME one of them. (Cause clearly that report didn't finalize and was lifted with some unknown reasonings)

Again, if folks couldn't even follow the Channel Rules/Topics nor read #announcements and so forth, you can't sit there and tell me they could just (list shortcuts and ways to find the answer to the SAME asked question here) and expect that to be the answer to ALL. Not only that with said rules and such, it's harder to get a grasp on things or assist (safety etc, I get. Other things ehh...)

I've been a part of this community since Day 1 of C:C (Don't let this account fool you. I just tend to forget info and not bother with recovering it.) and the direction I have watched it glow then dim then damn near die out, to burst to calmly licking wounds, to very obvious mis-direction of ACTUAL concerns that have been stated by fellow Community Members (Considering I also can see differences in how things are going in and out of C:C to begin with)

The audacity for which the content that was released and the follow up with it with the gachas, the lack of concern from folks who generally try to pull to help not only themselves (me) but the community with AFFORDABLE costume costs and so forth...for that to keep being set ablaze is legit unreal. I understand the need for time and all that. Don't twist my words. (Not saying you will, just pointing out thoughts.)

The sheer number of bug reports (be they little in folks eyes or not) and the rush of the content released that then somehow overshadowed a fine tooth combing to ensure said bugs could have been caught instead of releasing it (I'm all for waiting til things are IRONED out much better than this.) I did two forum posts (sept 23rd) and as of recently (oct 28th). because that's how much I CARE about finding stuff that would be missed over over sighted.

The fact the staff at this point knows of individuals and what it causing some of the craziness with the Market and so forth and instead of enforcing what they should (Reasons Reasons, I'm just an agent I'm not staff so I won't get too much into that cesspool) need to be done.

Ya'll gonna hate I had to say it like this and miss all the points I'm trying to make, that are there in plain sight. But I just can't hold back, cause there is no disrespect here. This is a conversation that needs to happen and I am here for it.

I agree. my grinders in arms are better FOs than the actual FOs. 

the vibes are indeed trash. Everybody's forced to play with their tight friend group because the average player's unbearable. 

People literally RMT in the open through the trading channel, nothing gets done about it.

 

15 hours ago, Miia said:

I think it would be simpler to post this directly in the Discord suggestions channel, where the staff can see it easily. Posting all these frustrations in a big thread alongside unrelated issues doesn’t seem productive, especially when the suggestions channel is rarely used and staff can easily spot new posts there. If these suggestions had already been made and not addressed, I’d understand the need to escalate. But since that’s not the case, this feels like it’s putting a lot of pressure on the staff and could have been managed directly through Discord.

CC is gonna tell ya to go write on forums, just like when you try to call a company to get a job, and them telling you to leave an email with your resume in it. PepeLaugh

 

14 hours ago, Miia said:

I believe this is more of an individual player issue - just two people could significantly alter the market price. I haven't noticed any extreme prices lately - as for the pgc prices that's something that is gonna be difficult to do. More than 1 person has to sell low at the same time so people can catch on.

tell that to Dark who straight up came up with a bullshit 50 to 100 rate and everybody followed like a dumb sheep, or Misago who's been selling 5b amps because he felt like it. 

Definitely not FOs abusing their power to bench the market, and tip it in their favor, or or the fact that FOs can change their ingame name whenever they want to and purge old account names if they want that name, but CC wont even bother to change the login name of somebody who asked nicely about it

Edited October 30 by ViciouslyOptimistic

[JayJoestar]

10 minutes ago, Pouty said:

While I see that it's bad that things are massive credit sinks they're somewhere needed considering the mass amount of credits leftovers in parts of the community, while its also bad for the rest for the community it doesn't mean that the new content is impossible or anything to obtain. I think most people struggle with +30 (which isn't needed at all to be strong) and that's part of the game that should be a struggle, meanwhile getting the gear done (red core or mods) Isn't really a struggle some people rush it with tsp or swiping and others don't it doesn't have a huge impact really.

So, great outlook, totally see where you're going with this. I just need to add that even with that (again nothing wrong in a sense for alot who were prepared overtime versus others. That's MMO life for ya.) It was the sheer amount of content in all sense of the word, throw into the pot. After just barely touching bases with Loli Tiamat (Yes, you can counter-point the time/resources etc point and that's valid) but then without truly having enough time to adjust to the new Tiamat Chips (Again, this doesn't mess with everyone. I'm speaking about as a general sense of casual players and such) That they become overwhelmed (And they have. Again, results will vary.)

 

13 minutes ago, Pouty said:

I honestly think if you see people explain a character or something wrong, there can be many other reasons other than bloated ego's or thinking you're the smartest some people simply don't know better or weren't taught better and some may even have made errors in their calculations or simply just see things differently, what's holding you back from correcting them if you know the right answer to get rid of said mis-information. If you're worried about said person coming back at you then you can simply ignore them and give your input to the person that was seeking the knowledge. 

To add onto what this was meaning and the effects of it, thru what I've witnessed as well as having talks with folks in DMs and so forth. The conflicting information from someone who is clearly TOP 3 TCP Rankings (Not everyone is bad as a Ranker, etc. This isn't the point of it.) But when there is conflicting information and being told something else in depth on why a certain rotation and skill build is more ideal (Reading Patch Notes/Skills and Passives) for this or that. Again, information overload and confusion for some. (Not everyone, results will vary.) And seeing it being consistently said and watching responses when said input outside of conversation starters takes place, things can at times de-rail and take a dive that didn't need to happen. Hence why there wasn't more back and forth with the information giver, but to the one who asked for it instead. Thereby avoiding a potential back and forth of conflicts to arise.

 

18 minutes ago, Pouty said:

Yet snarky remarks of people's credibility and saying that 'not all of them are horrid' isn't helping either and isn't sitting right as well

This can be explained better if an actual conversation and more transparency could take place, taking accountability for things and working together on an end goal of sorts. Instead of "No, that's wrong. Look at this. That's trash." Leaving more questions than answers. Snarky as it may appear, there is a deeper meaning that like I said would require more than what is being shown in the open. Case in point. You're valid feeling it's snarky, even though it's from my lips and I know it wasn't meant to be that. That's perfectly fine, opinions and so forth will differ and that's how it will be.

 

21 minutes ago, Pouty said:

There's simply no way to police all of this because people are allowed to have their own opinion on everything, which is good because it sparks discourse and can lead to new discoveries in the best scenario. In the perfect scenario we could all just ignore the brainrot, ego or mis-information but sadly we can't and then comes in our own job to sort through all of the information we get and figure out what we can use and what we can't use. If one person tells you its raining and the other tells you the sun is shining its my job to go outside and check for myself. 

This isn't about policing. It does go back to one of the earlier things I've touched on. You can't ignore brainrot, ego nor mis-information when you care about getting the good details ins and outs of an agent out to the PUBLIC and not just in DMs to avoid headaches and misunderstandings. This is why there is bickering and trolling and what not to begin with (not fully, but in a sense.) 

Again, you've made very valid and reasonable points and I'm not dismissing them. I'm simply (Like Chiharu) are pointing out things in a general sense that requires more than just "behind the scenes" esque happenings. Especially BECAUSE we care about C:C and the Community as a whole. Even if once again (and it's fine if it isn't the case, or even is the case) being able to talk thru these misunderstandings and such matter. No attacks. No personal issues and such. This has to commence and be heard and talked thru about in a manner befitting of it.

That is all.

[ViciouslyOptimistic]

26 minutes ago, Pouty said:

I think they literally just meant they wont be released together in the same patch, which they weren't so there was no lie.

While I see that it's bad that things are massive credit sinks they're somewhere needed considering the mass amount of credits leftovers in parts of the community, while its also bad for the rest for the community it doesn't mean that the new content is impossible or anything to obtain. I think most people struggle with +30 (which isn't needed at all to be strong) and that's part of the game that should be a struggle, meanwhile getting the gear done (red core or mods) Isn't really a struggle some people rush it with tsp or swiping and others don't it doesn't have a huge impact really.
 

Nobody is more forced to 5 star any pet than they were before, while it was "the best" option to gain a higher score or be stronger it's never really needed. Same with the new no damage type war game its not at all required to 5 star any of the new pets to get more damage unless you want to. 
I believe everyone is allowed to play the way they want to and if its not wanting to perfect their gameplay but just have fun then that's just it, while some people love gearing and being good at their character others just want to gear to feel that achievement and maybe just not have the time to perfect their skills. It doesn't show a flaw with the new Wargame or the gearing system but rather the skill differences/preferred gaming differences by people.
 

Which custom rates are you talking about, and how would you know they're falling off if you don't know the numbers considering everything that has a rate is affected by RNG so its all just luck in the end. While Custom Content is great and amazing its also harder for such a small team that we have to pump out new Custom Content all the time while also updating their server, fixing the entire game to keep up with already existing custom mechanics and sometimes having to fix massive parts of the game such as the Black Market with certain updates just takes time and resources away from that. 
 

I believe Harpy has stated at least once that the removal of SP had to be followed because despite them being able to add some SP going back to the ways we had SP would literally be impossible since it breaks the game. If they can find a workaround for this it'd be great but also its not a huge necessity since barely anything about the game has changed and in my opinion its just a point people love to get stuck on.
 

While I agree that it was always a great benefit that we were ahead of the International Server, a smaller team like CC is simply unable to be ahead of the actual publisher of the game. They changed their publishing teams from EnMasse to Naddic itself and since then they're basically up to date with Korea simply a few weeks behind, similar to other games such as Elsword. Before it used to be an appeal but to me personally it doesn't really matter since simply existing and getting to the point where I am in the game wouldn't be possible in International by spending as little money as I have. 
 

While it may not be far in the progress of dealing with people that RMT (which have reduced quite a bit) its hard to truly get rid of them without getting rid of the ability to spend money. If there's ways that we think we can improve the situation and we can suggest it we definitely should and hopefully get to a conclusion that benefits everyone that doesn't break the rules.
If you have the same resources and used it on World you'd maybe be half of the way compared to what you would be in C:C, while World Server isn't a torture hell its definitely far more favorable towards people that spend real money. We get far more materials for free but to a degree that doesn't make the entire gearing progress obsolete. 
 

I honestly think if you see people explain a character or something wrong, there can be many other reasons other than bloated ego's or thinking you're the smartest some people simply don't know better or weren't taught better and some may even have made errors in their calculations or simply just see things differently, what's holding you back from correcting them if you know the right answer to get rid of said mis-information. If you're worried about said person coming back at you then you can simply ignore them and give your input to the person that was seeking the knowledge. 

I haven't seen a single FO actively participate in a fight because someone thought things worked differently or tried to correct them, I personally have only seen discussions happening as of why and trying to figure out who's right. FO's aren't always there to test how every aspect of the game works and have all information readily available while it would be basically perfect to have that they can't do everything and they're there to answer questions to their abilities and try to help people have a good time playing the game. You being able to figure out how things in the game work by testing them out doesn't tell anything about our FO's and just simply shows that you had the desire to figure it out and got there which is great. 
 

Yet snarky remarks of people's credibility and saying that 'not all of them are horrid' isn't helping either and isn't sitting right as well

With this point I can sadly only agree, despite not knowing what goes on behind the scenes its simply just sad that people can use slurs and not be punished or 'talk their way' out of it.
 

There's simply no way to police all of this because people are allowed to have their own opinion on everything, which is good because it sparks discourse and can lead to new discoveries in the best scenario. In the perfect scenario we could all just ignore the brainrot, ego or mis-information but sadly we can't and then comes in our own job to sort through all of the information we get and figure out what we can use and what we can't use. If one person tells you its raining and the other tells you the sun is shining its my job to go outside and check for myself. 
 

you dont know what you're talking about and your entire comment is a buncha water that goes on about a whole lotta nothing

[Pouty]

5 minutes ago, JayJoestar said:

Again, you've made very valid and reasonable points and I'm not dismissing them. I'm simply (Like Chiharu) are pointing out things in a general sense that requires more than just "behind the scenes" esque happenings. Especially BECAUSE we care about C:C and the Community as a whole. Even if once again (and it's fine if it isn't the case, or even is the case) being able to talk thru these misunderstandings and such matter. No attacks. No personal issues and such. This has to commence and be heard and talked thru about in a manner befitting of it.

I wholeheartedly agree that there needs to be way more communication regardless of what way it just needs to happen in a way that they're obviously allowed to do it. So that we can all get to a common ground regarding our issues.
 

4 minutes ago, ViciouslyOptimistic said:

you dont know what you're talking about and your entire comment is a buncha water that goes on about a whole lotta nothing

thank u diva ♥ 

[Miia]

11 minutes ago, JayJoestar said:

So, great outlook, totally see where you're going with this. I just need to add that even with that (again nothing wrong in a sense for alot who were prepared overtime versus others. That's MMO life for ya.) It was the sheer amount of content in all sense of the word, throw into the pot. After just barely touching bases with Loli Tiamat (Yes, you can counter-point the time/resources etc point and that's valid) but then without truly having enough time to adjust to the new Tiamat Chips (Again, this doesn't mess with everyone. I'm speaking about as a general sense of casual players and such) That they become overwhelmed (And they have. Again, results will vary.)

As Barbie mentioned earlier, most content isn’t difficult to access. Generally, people can reach the end game within a month (without free-to-play restrictions). Just to clarify, I’m not referring to things like +30 upgrades, which are excessive. I’m speaking from experience, as I’ve helped many players over the years and recently pointed out how manageable things can be - even for newcomers. Specific items like amplifiers can wait, yet players can still perform well in the content without them.

11 minutes ago, JayJoestar said:

To add onto what this was meaning and the effects of it, thru what I've witnessed as well as having talks with folks in DMs and so forth. The conflicting information from someone who is clearly TOP 3 TCP Rankings (Not everyone is bad as a Ranker, etc. This isn't the point of it.) But when there is conflicting information and being told something else in depth on why a certain rotation and skill build is more ideal (Reading Patch Notes/Skills and Passives) for this or that. Again, information overload and confusion for some. (Not everyone, results will vary.) And seeing it being consistently said and watching responses when said input outside of conversation starters takes place, things can at times de-rail and take a dive that didn't need to happen. Hence why there wasn't more back and forth with the information giver, but to the one who asked for it instead. Thereby avoiding a potential back and forth of conflicts to arise.

Ultimately, people will consume information from various sources - that’s something inevitable. When new content is released, many players naturally test it out, share their thoughts, and may change their opinions over time. This is a normal process that can’t really be altered. If you believe someone is receiving incorrect information, consider letting them know privately to avoid conflict. In any online game, there will always be differing opinions, and you’re free to form your own.

Edited October 30 by Miia

[JayJoestar]

7 minutes ago, Miia said:

As Barbie mentioned earlier, most content isn’t difficult to access. Generally, people can reach the end game within a month (without free-to-play restrictions). Just to clarify, I’m not referring to things like +30 upgrades, which are excessive. I’m speaking from experience, as I’ve helped many players over the years and recently pointed out how manageable things can be - even for newcomers. Specific items like amplifiers can wait, yet players can still perform well in the content without them.

And as I've mentioned it is valid and that results will vary. Generally, yes, they can. Should they be able to handle things as they are as well as catch on on things (Like PNA in general, takes longer than you'd think for a new player versus veterans. Things CAN be manageable, that isn't the issue here. As I've mentioned it's the sheer amount of content for SOME folks, that get overwhelmed with it all and just want to play with friends and such at end game. Then feel they won't ever catch up. (We too also have helped many players over time and results varied. So again generalizing the case in point of it. If folks feel even with the sheer amount of ways to handle content without Reds and +30s and such, cool. Not everyone will and that's ok but also needs a better understanding of their point of view on the matters as well. We aren't a one glove fits all. What you've witnessed and what I've witnessed are valid and vastly different for those we've helped along for many reasons.

 

11 minutes ago, Miia said:

Ultimately, people will consume information from various sources - that’s something inevitable. When new content is released, many players naturally test it out, share their thoughts, and may change their opinions over time. This is a normal process that can’t really be altered. If you believe someone is receiving incorrect information, consider letting them know privately to avoid conflict. In any online game, there will always be differing opinions, and you’re free to form your own.

Case in point as was pointed out earlier. Yes, we can only do so for someone ELSE. Whatever the case is and how we each help ONE another is where it matters. Hence why as online as it is and I'm not into conflicts (Don't need to, this is online and I'm here to vibe/play/learn and such alongside others wanting to do the same.) Thus why as pointed out my opinions ARE formed and put out there. Like any one else. Exactly. Hence again, that's WHY most are taken into DMs. But this conversation will not. This is an open field discussion for all. And I'm here for it all.

[Maki]

4 hours ago, Miia said:

Also, I don’t think it’s helpful to bring up anything about FOs’ egos. Instead, I’d just suggest letting everyone interpret information in their own way rather than calling it “misinformation.” People naturally have different perspectives and take things in differently. For instance, with the recent core updates, I chose Lantern for Levia because that felt right for me, even though others suggested otherwise. That decision came down to my own reasoning and what I felt worked best.

 

this is what i mean by balantant misinformation, you can read here "better debuff uptime"
then purification and army awakened being shrugged off as "practicality is limited by debuffs"
now the problematic part, ARMY awakening is a 25% crit damage buff
purification is a 20% crit resist debuff
standard version is a 10% crit resist debuff
where did i find this information you ask ? suggested skill cube guide posted by nata a while ago validiated by violethime (aka fo dark) and jsk (aka kali) so you know
you tell me if this is "preference" or misinformation. or when dark posted "yuri suggested skill points" and having v at lvl 1 while it scales with levels. he only modified recently but the thing is, why do you post wrong info then to correct later ? your word as a fo is a lot more credible than you and i or anyone or even on par with top rankers cause well "he is fo he must know what he talking about", to post false information to correct it later. is like building a faulty building and fix it after it falls so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
if you want to play seriously you either have to test stuff yourself by your own, or look for hidden gems.
also if u want the truth bomb, just read the post then read the first reply by @ViciouslyOptimistic they both speak heart and what i had in my mind for almost a year, and the thing is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ cc won't probably change unless you touch where it hurts, their income and i doubt that is happening any time soon, whales just gonna whale and stay top, staff gonna just swim in free money pool they got here and we will just complain and try to shafted by bootlickers, that's the c:c cycle, it's been almost a year since the december funny, and i am finding it funny that we came full circle, so yea, do c:c need to improve their shit ? yep they do, will they do it ? nah, don't expect it to change. just expect them to push naddick qol like full invertory unlock with credits, or visuals with credits. or strip you from some, like the 40 sp given to everyone on loli tiamat, or removing visual unlocks from returner for dumb reason like "abusing" as if going on hiatus for 30 days gonna benefit u in long run for like 25 months to scam c:c dev. try it i dare you. i doubt you would

[Miia]

Please keep in mind that just because someone holds an "FO" title doesn’t mean they’ll have all the information perfectly accurate across the board. A title is just a title; it doesn’t guarantee 100% accuracy - they’re only human, after all. I can’t really comment on the right or wrong of character skills, as that’s based on each person’s perspective, and I don’t play that character myself. Also, doesn't their war game scores kinda says otherwise? I think that's pretty valid to show that they know what they're talking about.

12 minutes ago, Maki said:

this is what i mean by balantant misinformation, you can read here "better debuff uptime"
then purification and army awakened being shrugged off as "practicality is limited by debuffs"
now the problematic part, ARMY awakening is a 25% crit damage buff
purification is a 20% crit resist debuff
standard version is a 10% crit resist debuff
where did i find this information you ask ? suggested skill cube guide posted by nata a while ago validiated by violethime (aka fo dark) and jsk (aka kali) so you know
you tell me if this is "preference" or misinformation. or when dark posted "yuri suggested skill points" and having v at lvl 1 while it scales with levels. he only modified recently but the thing is, why do you post wrong info then to correct later ? your word as a fo is a lot more credible than you and i or anyone or even on par with top rankers cause well "he is fo he must know what he talking about", to post false information to correct it later.

As I mentioned, it’s best to either address the person directly if you think they’re misinformed or simply create your own guides. Often, those who say, “Whales will do this, whales will do that” are also the ones spending heavily, even if they’re unhappy with the server’s current state. If more people spoke up instead of leaving it to a small group, there would be more perspectives to draw from, and it wouldn’t fall to just a few voices to determine what’s “correct.”

 

I forgot to mention that if you see something wrong, just let them know personally and talk about it with them.

Edited October 30 by Miia

[Maki]

 

1 minute ago, Miia said:

Please keep in mind that just because someone holds an "FO" title doesn’t mean they’ll have all the information perfectly accurate across the board. A title is just a title; it doesn’t guarantee 100% accuracy - they’re only human, after all. I can’t really comment on the right or wrong of character skills, as that’s based on each person’s perspective, and I don’t play that character myself. Also, doesn't their war game scores kinda says otherwise? I think that's pretty valid to show that they know what they're talking about.

As I mentioned, it’s best to either address the person directly if you think they’re misinformed or simply create your own guides. Often, those who say, “Whales will do this, whales will do that” are also the ones spending heavily, even if they’re unhappy with the server’s current state. If more people spoke up instead of leaving it to a small group, there would be more perspectives to draw from, and it wouldn’t fall to just a few voices to determine what’s “correct.”

the point being, i didn't give them that, as a matter of fact i don't take anything from them as credible, like it or not, this is new player prespective, not mine or yours. they are field officers, they have to be held in a much higher standard than guide makers. it would take tremendous amount of effort to put something that counteract it. and since they are field officer they don't need to change. there is a reason why most ppl in similair position on other games don't speak about anything they don't know :^) or don't speak at all. yes i get they need to help people. there are ppl more suited for that than them at this point. i already helped manage a class discord for previous mmo, i am too exhausted to this day to do it again for game like closers. and (and doesn't their war game scores kinda says otherwise) that's irrelevant, you politing good and u posting misinformation is totally seperate events, again go back to skill cube guide and read violet actual awakening and normal cubes and you will easily find that that post has misleading information, telling a reader that violet standard version has stronger debuff while trash talking other cubes for having a debuff while in reality army awakening is superior using their criteria because it's a 25% crit damage buff, this is just an example, you can find more, is up to you to take what i say or not, 
as to "small people voicing while rest are silent" if u remember last december, ppl spoke up, devs slammered them, then give them what they wanted halfassed, for pity excuse of "balance" or "abuse" or "multi-accounting" or insert any excuse they come up with. 

[Miia]

23 minutes ago, Maki said:

 

the point being, i didn't give them that, as a matter of fact i don't take anything from them as credible, like it or not, this is new player prespective, not mine or yours. they are field officers, they have to be held in a much higher standard than guide makers. it would take tremendous amount of effort to put something that counteract it. and since they are field officer they don't need to change. there is a reason why most ppl in similair position on other games don't speak about anything they don't know :^) or don't speak at all. yes i get they need to help people. there are ppl more suited for that than them at this point. i already helped manage a class discord for previous mmo, i am too exhausted to this day to do it again for game like closers. and (and doesn't their war game scores kinda says otherwise) that's irrelevant, you politing good and u posting misinformation is totally seperate events, again go back to skill cube guide and read violet actual awakening and normal cubes and you will easily find that that post has misleading information, telling a reader that violet standard version has stronger debuff while trash talking other cubes for having a debuff while in reality army awakening is superior using their criteria because it's a 25% crit damage buff, this is just an example, you can find more, is up to you to take what i say or not, 
as to "small people voicing while rest are silent" if u remember last december, ppl spoke up, devs slammered them, then give them what they wanted halfassed, for pity excuse of "balance" or "abuse" or "multi-accounting" or insert any excuse they come up with. 

I'm addressing this once more regarding the issue of 'misinformation' among FOs. These individuals often rely solely on what they already know, with limited additional information - just what's available in the KR material or World, which, as we know, can be challenging for everyone. While I understand that their rank makes them a primary point of contact for new players, we should also remember that we as players with knowledge of the character(s) or other topics can reach out to them directly, either here or through Discord (if their DMs are open). This can help prevent misunderstandings from escalating in the general Discord chat.

Besides one or two people in this chat, I just see biased information left and right in this topic.

Edited October 30 by Miia

[Chiharu]

Ok.

So.....this is just going to be a back and forth once again, considering what I've just read.

I understand that we are most likely never going to be able to actually have this conversation without coming at each other's necks.

Since I'm the one who bought the situation up to talk about, despite getting my answer and some good feedback, which I appreciate, I would like to apologize for the back and forth that took place.

@Icarus You can lock the thread now. The only thing that will happen is just the usual back and forth. It's no point in keeping it unlocked.